president obama's budget does that according to his numbers. to me enge the amount matters in 10 years but what i care more about is what trajectory we're on. if we're at $6 trillion but haven't done work on entitlements, i think we're worse off than if we have $4 trillion and have reforms kick in. >> the president's budget doesn't meet my standard. the opped they have budget horizon is a hockey stick and the trajectory is wrong. he hasn't gone far enough. agry, we need to address -- he's fallen short on spending. he's got it on revenue. we need more on spending to get that trajectory at least stable to move south as we move into the second 10 years of the budget horizon. >> to follow up, i agree we should by thinking about the long-term issues, i just expect them to come up with a short-term or medium term and a long-term real solution all at once i think is just way too much. for any realistic expectation. absolutely they should adjust the issues, think about them, reform, experiment but i hate to have the economy right now, the economy over